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This is really profound and interesting @ZettelDistraction.
Thank you for putting all of this together.
Do you plan to put this into a paper at some point? I think it would be a great addition to Zettelkästen literature.
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The last version is https://forum.zettelkasten.de/discussion/1982/mathematical-definition-of-folgezettel/p3
I'm going to be haunted by the prior revisions!
I don't plan to do anything with it. It's an exercise.
Luhmann's numbering has the limitation that the total degree of any note in the directed graph is at most 3, which means that you have at most 2 branches off a node. This doesn't include internal links. I suggested a more general numbering to get around this limitation. Others suggest identifying sequences of notes by listing their IDs in order in auxiliary notes called structure notes. So the Folgezttel numbering gives you a skeleton--a spanning tree, indicating the order in which notes were originally placed into the Zettelkasten.
As far as the directed graphs go, linking with a combination of Folgezttel and internal links or using structure notes is equivalent. What I mean by "equivalent" is that if you consider a diagram with dots for notes, and arrows between them for either Folgezttel or links, you won't be able to tell whether the graphs used structure notes and timestamps, or whether they used Folgezttel and internal links, or some combination. This abstraction erases the content of the notes and leaves only dots for notes and directed arrows (unidirectional links) visible.
I think it's important to be clear about what "equivalent" means in each case, since there are several possible sensible notions of equivalence. Here's a different notion of equivalence that a combinatorialist might use.
If you did use Folgezttel, you could take the same graph, but color the edges red and blue, red for a link defined by Folgezttel, and blue for internal links. Then right away you would notice that the red links form a spanning tree touching every note in the directed graph. That would show you where the note sequences were, or at least the sequences defined by Folgezttel. Also the note identifiers will tell you a path along red colored edges back to the root. (Pictures would probably help, but I'm pretty sure you're imagining what this looks like.)
Now it looks like a matter of personal preference what you choose. There may be some psychological advantages using Folgezttel, because over time the labeling will have some meaning and might facilitate visualization. The IDs might serve the function of locations or loci in a mnemonic system. The labeling might become familiar enough to carry around in one's head. This kind of shorthand encoded context is local to the note: it doesn't depend on seeing or listing any other adjacent notes in the graph. I find that it helps--I don't tend to memorize 14 digit timestamps. But perhaps there are people with eidetic memories who do, though they might not need a Zettelkasten.
I've seen it asserted (on medium.com I think) that it's always better to call out notes sequences in a separate structure note. If only there were studies to show this! In this subject it's hard to make universal declarations that hold for everyone. Maybe it's true, maybe not.
Finally I figured out how to accommodate both systems (Folgezettel only, timestamps only, a combination Folgezettel_timestamp ) in a backward compatible way in Zettlr. Other proposed systems for this didn't do what I wanted:
At least in Zettlr it's possible to experiment--I don't have enough experience with other systems to say.
GitHub. Erdős #2. I returned to my cubicle, and saw under fluorescent light that the rat race is not to the swift, nor the memo to the wise, neither yet an increment to the meritorious, nor yet favour to men of skill; but payroll and chance happeneth to them all. — Ecclesiastes 9:11 CC BY-SA 4.0.
I don't think that this is true. Do you remember what the justification for that claim is?
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Do you think you could create a diagram to better illustrate what you mean by this? I think I’m following you here but want to confirm. By two branches off a node, do you mean like:
12>12/1and12/1AScott P. Scheper
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This is from The Folgezettel Conundrum by Eva Thomas, who says that Folgezettel identifiers commit the user to a specific choice of predecessor ID (not location, but a name). Her recommendation is to call out note sequences with a separate "sequence note," in her terms:
The Luhmann IDs aren't as flexible as the more general IDs I wrote about (the notation isn't optimal for defining filenames), so it's not that an ID encoding scheme cannot be made to work.
I'm swamped with work--I might not be able to respond so promptly.
GitHub. Erdős #2. I returned to my cubicle, and saw under fluorescent light that the rat race is not to the swift, nor the memo to the wise, neither yet an increment to the meritorious, nor yet favour to men of skill; but payroll and chance happeneth to them all. — Ecclesiastes 9:11 CC BY-SA 4.0.
I'm swamped at the moment. I might have more time over the weekend.
GitHub. Erdős #2. I returned to my cubicle, and saw under fluorescent light that the rat race is not to the swift, nor the memo to the wise, neither yet an increment to the meritorious, nor yet favour to men of skill; but payroll and chance happeneth to them all. — Ecclesiastes 9:11 CC BY-SA 4.0.
Aha! I think Eva is argueing on Folgezettel vs Structure Notes and just presents her approach without any attempt of generalisation. It might be just her wording that could give this impression (I don't have it).
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