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Is there a benefit to Luhmann IDs vs. Date/Time IDs?

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  • @sfast said:
    This. Folgezettel are a mean to rob meaning from hierarchy (so it does not matter where you put Zettel).

    I'll say I do sometimes find it useful to capture how a train of thought originally unfolded (i.e. not necessarily strictly sequentially), even if some of the underlying connections are still obscure in the moment. But if and when I do want to work in that mode, I can use an ad hoc meta-note (I'll avoid the term 'structure zettel' because I'm not sure you don't have some aspects in mind when you use that term that I might not be seeing) without having to make it a fundamental organizing principle of my box as a whole.

  • @Taylor said:
    Luhmann-IDs force you to review your zettels each time you add a new note. And not just skimming a list of notes with a relevant tag, or skimming the titles of notes in a structure note, but actually reading your zettels and following their links searching for the most appropriate place to put the new note.

    Doesn't that just take you back to the habit of sorting ideas into a (maybe slightly looser version of a) preconceived hierarchy of categories that the Zettelkasten was designed to avoid in the first place?

  • @Eurobubba said:
    Doesn't that just take you back to the habit of sorting ideas into a (maybe slightly looser version of a) preconceived hierarchy of categories that the Zettelkasten was designed to avoid in the first place?

    The conclusion I am moving towards is that all of the systems have weaknesses and the complicated question to answer is how to balance them. Hierarchies are cognitively limiting, so we can't have 100% hierarchy. Loose networks do not capture logical structure, so we cannot have 100% loose network links.

    What Luhmann's ZK does is allow or encourage hierarchy (depending on implementation) but balance its rigidity with direct links. What @sfast's ZK does is allow or encourage loose networks but balance its loose structure with hierarchical structure notes.

    We cannot _completely _avoid sorting ideas into preconceived hierarchies of categories. Language and our structure of thought requires that. We cannot learn anything new without connecting the new information to existing "preconceived" knowledge. It is a matter of balancing the advantages of preconceived categories with techniques that overcome their disadvantages.

  • @cobblepot, change "hierarchy" with pattern and we 100% agree. (There are more patterns than hierarchies. I call each type of pattern a structure. A Structure Zettel is aims to deal with a structure as one thought in adherence to the principle of atomicity)

    I am a Zettler

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