Zettelkasten Forum


Visual representation of how structure notes capture trails | Nested structure notes

The image below is my (unappealing) representation of how a Structure Note captures thought trails, based on my understanding and what I've been doing lately:

  1. Is this correct?
  2. Sometimes the contents of structure notes have structure notes themselves. How do you approach developing these ideas?

I write about unconventional self-improvement advice at improveism.com

Comments

    1. Is this correct?

    I think this captures the overlapping trails and the emerging semilattice of thought strings nicely.

    1. Sometimes the contents of structure notes have structure notes themselves. How do you approach developing these ideas?

    That's only natural, so I wonder: what kind of problem do you have with that, or what are you anxious about to be happening?

    Author at Zettelkasten.de • https://christiantietze.de/

  • edited May 13

    @ctietze I don't have a problem with it per se, but since I'm transitioning into UID systems (as per my last post) I'm now trying to dig deeper into the method.

    Anyway, since that post on my counterarguments against Folgezettel was largely ignored—perhaps due to the title—I'm going to restate my questions here:

    1. What do the Ü1 & Ü2 notations mean? I know they mark an overview note, but how can you tell beforehand if an overview is 1 (top level, I believe) or 2?
    2. I believed that if the connection of at least 2 notes made a higher level insight, that should be captured in a structure note and be subjected to further development. Is that correct?
    3. Do you actively traverse links to find whether or not the trails need a structure note, or do structure notes happen by surprise? My speculations tell me the former is inefficient but fruitful; the latter, efficient but lacking. But it's unclear for me yet

    I write about unconventional self-improvement advice at improveism.com

    1. What do the Ü1 & Ü2 notations mean? I know they mark an overview note, but how can you tell beforehand if an overview is 1 (top level, I believe) or 2?

    Your bottom-most layer is pure content; AFAIK, Sascha uses Ü2 as the first meta-layer that contains structure notes which in turn point to content notes to order them; Ü1 is the meta-meta-layer that brings order to structure notes first and foremost, but can of course also link to content notes. Ü is simple to type on a German keyboard layout, so you might want to pick something else :)

    1. I believed that if the connection of at least 2 notes made a higher level insight, that should be captured in a structure note and be subjected to further development. Is that correct?

    If note A and B are related, and you want to write about their being connected, you can encapsulate the comment in another Zettel. I think I buried a diagram for this in the forums somewhere; the closest I could find was this post: https://forum.zettelkasten.de/discussion/comment/5437/#Comment_5437

    Edit: Found it! https://forum.zettelkasten.de/discussion/comment/4185/#Comment_4185

    That does not necessarily make it a structure Zettel in my book. But then again my proverbial book is not very structured, so YMMV and a structure is indeed hidden in there.

    1. Do you actively traverse links to find whether or not the trails need a structure note, or do structure notes happen by surprise? My speculations tell me the former is inefficient but fruitful; the latter, efficient but lacking. But it's unclear for me yet

    Both! You offload a lot of knowledge to your Zettelkasten over time and cannot remember everything. You need to check stuff manually to load this into your working memory to get to the point where you established structures you can further rely on. After that, less checking and grunt work may be necessary.

    Author at Zettelkasten.de • https://christiantietze.de/

  • @ctietze said:
    Your bottom-most layer is pure content; AFAIK, Sascha uses Ü2 as the first meta-layer that contains structure notes which in turn point to content notes to order them; Ü1 is the meta-meta-layer that brings order to structure notes first and foremost, but can of course also link to content notes. Ü is simple to type on a German keyboard layout, so you might want to pick something else :)

    I'll use L1 and L2, then :smile: It's getting clearer now -- since "Ü1" means top level, it means when a topic emerges on top of it, that new topic becomes "Ü1" and the previous "Ü1" turns into "Ü2". Since we use UID's as links, it won't produce broken links. Am I on the right track?

    If note A and B are related, and you want to write about their being connected, you can encapsulate the comment in another Zettel. I think I buried a diagram for this in the forums somewhere; the closest I could find was this post: https://forum.zettelkasten.de/discussion/comment/5437/#Comment_5437

    Edit: Found it! https://forum.zettelkasten.de/discussion/comment/4185/#Comment_4185

    That does not necessarily make it a structure Zettel in my book. But then again my proverbial book is not very structured, so YMMV and a structure is indeed hidden in there.

    Your explanation does clarify it; It seems like there are sort of "mini structure notes" whose purpose is to reify implicit meanings, and some outline-type structure notes that organizes a huge pool of zettels.

    Both! You offload a lot of knowledge to your Zettelkasten over time and cannot remember everything. You need to check stuff manually to load this into your working memory to get to the point where you established structures you can further rely on. After that, less checking and grunt work may be necessary.

    In addition to establishing structures for your future self, would the linking workflow look like this?

    I write about unconventional self-improvement advice at improveism.com

Sign In or Register to comment.