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• Andy

  November 7

  These types of graph (or some variant of them) have been important for me at some stage of my work.

  You call the knowledge graph "complete, and therefore a haystack", but it could also be a local graph, constructed either automatically or manually. As an Obsidian user, do you ever use a local graph view, limiting the depth of links so that the graph is not of the whole vault, and so not a haystack?

  You use a based-on link between these types of graph, but I assume this has a vague meaning, because I don't see how all these types of graphs are all based on another type of graph in exactly the same way.
• Edmund

  November 8 edited November 8

  @Andy said:
  ... but it could also be a local graph, constructed either automatically or manually. As an Obsidian user, do you ever use a local graph view, limiting the depth of links so that the graph is not of the whole vault, and so not a haystack?

  You use a based-on link between these types of graph, but I assume this has a vague meaning, because I don't see how all these types of graphs are all based on another type of graph in exactly the same way.

  Thank you for your valuable hints, which I really appreciate. Here is an update:

  

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• felipercel

  November 8

  Could you share an example of a note or task where the procedural graph changes what you do next, compared with following a plain checklist?
• Edmund

  November 10 edited November 10

  @felipercel said:
  Could you share an example of a note or task where the procedural graph changes what you do next, compared with following a plain checklist?

  Here is my example: https://forum.obsidian.md/t/review-and-revise-notes-but-how/86820, created: 2022-03-24, published: 2024-08-03.

  To be honest, a plain checklist would achieve the same thing if it is like a software script with loops and decisions, which is essentially a linear list of instructions.

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• harr

  November 10 edited November 10

  @felipercel said:
  Could you share an example of a note or task where the procedural graph changes what you do next, compared with following a plain checklist?

  @Edmund said:
  To be honest, a plain checklist would achieve the same thing if it is like a software script with loops and decisions, which is essentially a linear list of instructions.

  It sounds even better if you call it pseudocode. :-) For example:

  while thinking:
      (re)think
      while visual is not coherent:
          (re)draw visual
          while note is not coherent:
              distill note content
              connect note to other notes
              (re)write note
      print note
      pin note to wall
      view on wall
      wait
      review
      get insight 💡
  

  With the right tool you can render pseudocode as a Nassi-Shneiderman diagram:

  

  This visualization makes it easier to recognize structures like loops and decisions.

  Sequence diagrams and flowcharts with swim lanes add visual context that is difficult to convey with plain text.

  

  Formal visualizations reduce ambiguities because they only have a limited number of well-defined structural elements.

  Post edited by harr on November 10
• ctietze

  November 11

  You digging into these quirky dev tools -- I haven't thought of Nassi-Shneiderman diagrams in well over a decade, totally forgot about them. That's super useful for many things, thank you

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