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Philosophical Tools for Zettelkasten

Today, I asked myself if there are any philosophical tools that could be useful for my Zettelkasten. Here's the result of my research:

I'm an engineer and a data scientist. Are there any philosophers on this forum who can prove whether Ekkehard Martens' Five-Finger Model works well in our context?

Post edited by Edmund on

Edmund Gröpl
100% organic thinking. Less than 5% AI-generated ideas.

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  • Do you have access to the primary source? I could only find secondary sources.

    It seems to me that this is not a philosophical tool, but a didactic tool to teach philosophical thinking. That doesn't mean that this is not useful in other contexts.

    If I am correct that the leading model is a pedagogical model I feel that it might be a good tool to develop good thinking habits.

    I am a Zettler

  • @Sascha said:
    Do you have access to the primary source? I could only find secondary sources.

    I also started with secondary sources. I have just ordered his book, though.

    It seems to me that this is not a philosophical tool, but a didactic tool to teach philosophical thinking. That doesn't mean that this is not useful in other contexts.

    It's a tool designed for children. It may also be helpful for engineers. 😉

    Edmund Gröpl
    100% organic thinking. Less than 5% AI-generated ideas.

  • @Edmund said:

    It seems to me that this is not a philosophical tool, but a didactic tool to teach philosophical thinking. That doesn't mean that this is not useful in other contexts.

    It's a tool designed for children. It may also be helpful for engineers. 😉

    For sure! I put this tool in the same category as the idea compass and added it to the collection of heuristics/checklists for exploring and working ideas.

    I am a Zettler

  • edited November 7

    The initial idea came from Ekkehard Martens' Five-Finger Model. Building on his five steps and adding two more, the Zettelkasten process seems to provide a framework for critical thinking and analytical reasoning, "The 7-Step Zettelkasten Cycle":

    A simplified view on the model:

    What are your first comments?

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    Edmund Gröpl
    100% organic thinking. Less than 5% AI-generated ideas.

  • edited November 7

    Why are there several steps? You can't do everything at once. Each phase requires a different mental state.

    So it's always a good idea to revisit old ones.

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    Edmund Gröpl
    100% organic thinking. Less than 5% AI-generated ideas.

  • Every framework must prove its usefulness. "The Minimalist's Zettelkasten" within "The 7-Step Zettelkasten Cycle" is one of my first applications:

    More about: https://forum.zettelkasten.de/discussion/3356/looking-for-beta-readers-the-minimalist-s-zettelkasten-v0-14

    Edmund Gröpl
    100% organic thinking. Less than 5% AI-generated ideas.

  • @Edmund said:

    Every framework must prove its usefulness. "The Minimalist's Zettelkasten" within "The 7-Step Zettelkasten Cycle" is one of my first applications:

    More about: https://forum.zettelkasten.de/discussion/3356/looking-for-beta-readers-the-minimalist-s-zettelkasten-v0-14

    Your diagram reminds me of the compendium of design models by Dubberly Design Office in How Do You Design? A Compendium of Models (2005).

    By the way, here's another interesting PDF from the same author: A Model of the Creative Process (2009). Both were previously mentioned in this discussion.

  • @Andy: Great sources. Thank you for sharing. Have you already applied these concepts to your Zettelkasten system?

    Edmund Gröpl
    100% organic thinking. Less than 5% AI-generated ideas.

  • @Edmund said:

    @Andy: Great sources. Thank you for sharing. Have you already applied these concepts to your Zettelkasten system?

    Insofar as I use my note system for creative/design projects, which I do, I've used design models with my note system, but I tend to think of a Zettelkasten as a tool that can be used within such a creative process, so I would phrase the question more like: Have you used a Zettelkasten in your creative system?

    Of course, there is a system to using a Zettelkasten, and your diagram expresses well the intersection/overlap of a Zettelkasten system and a creative/design system.

  • edited November 10

    We can easily use the "7-Steps Zettelkasten Cycle" as an analytical tool. Here I started to analyze my own contributions to forum Zettelkasten.de since May 2022:

    The next step might be to show the number of views or comments for each post in the same structure. - And yes, these are some pretty crazy ideas from a data scientist! Sorry!

    Edmund Gröpl
    100% organic thinking. Less than 5% AI-generated ideas.

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