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Inline key-words and key-phrases

Been reading a bit about interstitial journaling and it has got me thinking that the principles could be applied nicely to note-taking. The reading was focused on intermittently making small short journal entries during transitions between activities, modes, tasks, etc. Not really a Zettelkasten thing. But it, along with @ctietze in a recent post, lead me to think differently about “interstitial”. Interstitial in terms of mixed in, to get all metaphoric, to follow a natural flow in the river of note making.

Incorporate more of the metadata inline the note text.

Been considering tagging vs keywords. Seems Luhmann thought there were 4 characteristics of a Zettelkasten.
He stated in Fabrication of Serendipity
1. specific system
2. card numbering rules
3. internal linking
4. comprehensive keyword index

Nowhere does he mention tags or categories of note.

  • Links - an ontological relationship between notes
  • Tags - a category relationship between notes
  • Keywords - a taxonomical relationship between notes

Maybe it isn’t an either or question.

  • Has anybody implemented a keyword system?
  • Does anyone have tips for implementing an inline markup that is unobtrusive in the editor and could be nonexistent in the output?
  • How about key phrases?

Please school me in my ignorance.

Will Simpson
kestrelcreek.com

Comments

  • @Will said:
    Been reading a bit about interstitial journaling and it has got me thinking that the principles could be applied nicely to note-taking. The reading was focused on intermittently making small short journal entries during transitions between activities, modes, tasks, etc. Not really a Zettelkasten thing. But it, along with @ctietze in a recent post, lead me to think differently about “interstitial”. Interstitial in terms of mixed in, to get all metaphoric, to follow a natural flow in the river of note making.

    Funny, I've also been on the interstitial journaling notion, but I'm using it to adapt my physical journaling to more helpful practice.

    • Has anybody implemented a keyword system?

    In my mind the only difference between #tags and keywords is that #tags are things I think will apply as a category, but keywords are "synonyms I will probably type accidentally when I'm trying to find this note which don't go in the text".

    • Does anyone have tips for implementing an inline markup that is unobtrusive in the editor and could be nonexistent in the output?
    • How about key phrases?

    You mean like putting keywords in a YAML block ?

  • @mediapathic said:
    In my mind the only difference between #tags and keywords is that #tags are things I think will apply as a category, but keywords are "synonyms I will probably type accidentally when I'm trying to find this note which don't go in the text".

    I think of keywords in a form much like a reference book index. With the entries lists for one to see and peruse. Tags, the way most software is developed are clickable but so could keywords. Tags can also be listed and perused in the form of a tag cloud. Something I use Keyboard Maestro for.

    You mean like putting keywords in a YAML block ?

    No this is not my thoughts. I'm thinking interstitial markup. Not separated from the note body. I think I may have seen @sfast in the past use § as inline markup for what I thought where keywords. Please correct me if I'm wrong but @sfast doesn't use this type of markup anymore.

    An example might be:
    Brains/minds don't come with a §owners manual. We have to develop our own using a haphazard array of §gadgets and §hacks. This takes a really long time unless we stand on the §shoulders of giants.

    Will Simpson
    kestrelcreek.com

  • Use hashtags like all the cool kids from 2009: inline.

    Your quote adapted to tag stuff I could actually want to search for:

    Brains/minds don't come with a owners #manual. We have to develop our own using a haphazard array of gadgets and #hacks. This takes a really long time (#deferred-gratification) unless we stand on the shoulders of giants. #grateful #livingthelife #productivealldayeveryday

    Okay the last three were meant jokingly :)

    Never heard of "interstitial journaling". Mind sharing some resources, y'all?

    Author at Zettelkasten.de • http://christiantietze.de/

  • This is off topic but this is the only online article I've read introducing me to the idea of interstitial journaling. I took the ideas expressed and ran with them modifying them to fit my notions of an interwoven workflow much like I think I'm developing with note-taking. I see the value in both journaling and note taking being a natural and flexible byproduct of how I conduct my day and my reading. Nothing special, the less flow is interrupted the better.

    @ctietze I have only 20 tags, I wonder how many you and @sfast have? Do you guy intermingle them in the text or place them in a header or footer, or do you do some of both? Luhmann had thousands of entries in his keyword list. If tags are treated as keywords then there could be thousands of 'categories' a note might be matched with. The cognitive overhead might overwhelm.

    Will Simpson
    kestrelcreek.com

  • @Will said:

    @mediapathic said:

    You mean like putting keywords in a YAML block ?


    No this is not my thoughts. I'm thinking interstitial markup. Not separated from the note body.

    Oh, I see. My misunderstanding.

    And, that article @will linked is the only one I've read as well. TLDR; it's like just the journaling part of Bullet Journal, wherein you freely mix todo items and events, but not specific to paper, and with an emphasis on recording an entry when you change tasks, in order to shift the mental focus to the new task.

  • Ah, thanks!

    @mediapathic I bet you're super happy with Emacs and Org mode to accomplish that on your computer :)

    Author at Zettelkasten.de • http://christiantietze.de/

  • (setq org-capture-templates
          '(("J" "Journal" entry (file+olp+datetree "~/Dropbox/Writing/Zettel/org/Journal.org")
             (file "~/Dropbox/Writing/Zettel/org/tpl-journalentry.txt"))
    )) 
    
    

    :smiley:

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